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Revisiting the 4% Withdrawal Rule for Etsy Employees

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Saving for your retirement from Etsy isn't always easy, but using your retirement savings wisely can be just as challenging. How much of your savings can you withdraw each year? This is an important question we often receive from many of our Etsy clients, and understandably so — withdraw too much and you run the risk of running out of money, but withdraw too little and you may miss out on a comfortable retirement from Etsy.

For more than 25 years, the most common guideline has been a rule known as the '4% rule.' This rule suggests that a withdrawal equal to 4% of the initial portfolio value, with annual increases for inflation, is sustainable over a 30-year retirement. This guideline can be helpful for Etsy employees in projecting a savings goal and providing a realistic picture of the annual income that their savings might provide. For example, a $1 million portfolio could provide $40,000 of income in the first year with inflation-adjusted withdrawals in succeeding years.

The 4% rule has stimulated a great deal of discussion over the years, with some experts saying 4% is too low and others saying it's too high. Due to the speculation, we find it important for us to analyze both the original and recent research regarding the 4% rule with our clients from Etsy. The most recent analysis happens to come from the man who invented it, financial professional William Bengen, who believes the rule has been misunderstood and offers new insights based on new research. Let's see if he's right. 

Original research


Bengen first published his findings in 1994, based on analyzing data for retirements from the years 1926 to 1976 — that's 50 years of data. He considered a hypothetical, conservative portfolio comprising 50% large-cap stocks and 50% intermediate-term Treasury bonds held in a tax-advantaged account and rebalanced annually. A 4% inflation-adjusted withdrawal was the highest sustainable rate in the worst-case scenario — retirement in October 1968. This was the beginning of a bear market and a long period of high inflation. All other retirement years had higher sustainable rates, some as high as 10% or more.[1]

Of course, no one can predict the future, which is why Bengen suggested the worst-case scenario as a sustainable rate. He later adjusted it slightly upward to 4.5%, based on a more diverse portfolio comprising 30% large-cap stocks, 20% small-cap stocks, and 50% intermediate-term Treasuries.[2]

New research


Now that we have an understanding of Bengen's original research, we'd like to take a look at a more recent analysis with our clients from Etsy. In October 2020, Bengen published new research that attempts to project a sustainable withdrawal rate based on two key factors at the time of retirement: stock market valuation and inflation (annual change in the Consumer Price Index). In theory, when the market is expensive, it has less potential to grow, and sustaining increased withdrawals over time may be more difficult. On the other hand, lower inflation means lower inflation-adjusted withdrawals, allowing a higher initial rate. For example, a $40,000 first-year withdrawal becomes an $84,000 withdrawal after 20 years with a 4% annual inflation increase but just $58,000 with a 2% increase.

To measure market valuation, Bengen used the Shiller CAPE, the cyclically adjusted price-earnings ratio for the S&P 500 index developed by Nobel laureate Robert Shiller. The price-earnings (P/E) ratio of a stock is the share price divided by its earnings per share for the previous 12 months. For example, if a stock is priced at $100 and the earnings per share is $4, the P/E ratio would be 25. The Shiller CAPE divides the total share price of stocks in the S&P 500 index by average inflation-adjusted earnings over 10 years.

5% rule?


Bengen once again used historical data, this time, for over 60 years of retirement. Analyzing retirement dates from 1926 to 1990,  Bengen found a clear correlation between market valuation and inflation at the time of retirement and the maximum sustainable withdrawal rate. Historically, rates ranged from as low as 4.5% to as high as 13%, but the scenarios that supported high rates were unusual, with very low market valuations and/or deflation rather than inflation.[3]

For the majority of the last 25 years, the United States has experienced high market valuations, and inflation has been low since the Great Recession.[4-5] In a high-valuation, low-inflation scenario at the time of retirement, Bengen found that a 5% initial withdrawal rate was sustainable over 30 years.[6] While not a big difference from the 4% rule, this suggests retirees could make larger initial withdrawals, particularly in a low-inflation environment. But in a high inflation environment withdrawals should decrease. 

One caveat is that current market valuation is extremely high: The S&P 500 index had a CAPE of 34.19 at the end of 2020, a level only reached (and exceeded) during the late-1990s dot-com boom and higher than any of the scenarios in Bengen's research.[7] His range for a 5% withdrawal rate is a CAPE of 23 or higher, with inflation between 0% and 2.5%.[8] (Inflation was 1.2% in November 2020.)[9] Bengen's research suggests that if market valuation drops near the historical mean of 16.77, a withdrawal rate of 6% might be sustainable as long as inflation is 5% or lower. On the other hand, if valuation remains high and inflation surpasses 2.5%, the maximum sustainable rate might be 4.5%.[10]

It's important for Etsy employees to keep in mind that these projections are based on historical scenarios and a hypothetical portfolio, and there is no guarantee that your portfolio will perform in a similar manner. Also remember that these calculations are based on annual inflation-adjusted withdrawals, and you might choose not to increase withdrawals in some years or use other criteria to make adjustments, such as market performance.

Although there is no assurance that working with a financial professional will improve investment results, a professional can evaluate your objectives and available resources and help you consider appropriate long-term financial strategies, including your withdrawal strategy.

We'd like to remind our clients from Etsy that all investments are subject to market fluctuation, risk, and loss of principal. When sold, investments may be worth more or less than their original cost. U.S. Treasury securities are guaranteed by the federal government as to the timely payment of principal and interest. The principal value of Treasury securities fluctuates with market conditions. If not held to maturity, they could be worth more or less than the original amount paid. Asset allocation and diversification are methods used to help manage investment risk; they do not guarantee a profit or protect against investment loss. Rebalancing involves selling some investments in order to buy others; selling investments in a taxable account could result in a tax liability.

The S&P 500 index is an unmanaged group of securities considered representative of the U.S. stock market in general. The performance of an unmanaged index is not indicative of the performance of any specific investment. Individuals cannot invest directly in an index. Past performance is no guarantee of future results. Actual results will vary.

1-2) Forbes Advisor, October 12, 2020
3-4, 6, 8, 10) Financial Advisor, October 2020
5, 9) U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, 2020
7) multpl.com, December 31, 2020

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An FLP is subject to more restrictive rules than other forms of business entities. Care must be taken to create a valid FLP in the eyes of the state and the IRS. An FLP will be recognized only if it is formed for a valid business purpose. The FLP form will be disregarded if the IRS or the state finds that it was formed solely to avoid taxes.

Some specific purposes for creating an FLP include:

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What type of retirement plan does Etsy offer to its employees?

Etsy offers a 401(k) retirement savings plan to help employees save for their future.

Does Etsy match employee contributions to the 401(k) plan?

Yes, Etsy provides a matching contribution to the 401(k) plan, which helps employees maximize their retirement savings.

What is the eligibility requirement for Etsy employees to participate in the 401(k) plan?

Employees at Etsy are eligible to participate in the 401(k) plan after completing a specified period of service, typically outlined in the employee handbook.

Can Etsy employees choose how to invest their 401(k) contributions?

Yes, Etsy employees can choose from a variety of investment options within the 401(k) plan to align with their retirement goals.

What is the vesting schedule for Etsy's 401(k) matching contributions?

Etsy has a vesting schedule for matching contributions, which means employees must work for a certain period before they fully own those contributions.

How can Etsy employees access their 401(k) account information?

Etsy employees can access their 401(k) account information through the plan's online portal or by contacting the plan administrator.

Are there any fees associated with managing Etsy's 401(k) plan?

Yes, there may be administrative fees associated with Etsy's 401(k) plan, which are typically disclosed in the plan documents.

Can Etsy employees take loans from their 401(k) accounts?

Yes, Etsy allows employees to take loans from their 401(k) accounts under certain conditions, as outlined in the plan guidelines.

What happens to an Etsy employee's 401(k) if they leave the company?

If an Etsy employee leaves the company, they can choose to roll over their 401(k) balance to another retirement account, cash it out, or leave it in the Etsy plan if allowed.

Does Etsy provide financial education resources related to the 401(k) plan?

Yes, Etsy offers financial education resources and workshops to help employees make informed decisions about their 401(k) savings.

With the current political climate we are in it is important to keep up with current news and remain knowledgeable about your benefits.
Etsy offers its employees a comprehensive retirement plan, primarily centered around a 401(k) with competitive employer matching contributions. Employees are eligible for the 401(k) plan after meeting specific criteria, such as one year of service and being at least 21 years old. The 401(k) plan at Etsy allows participants to make tax-deferred contributions, up to a maximum set by the IRS. For the year 2024, this limit is $23,000, with an additional catch-up contribution of $7,500 for employees aged 50 and over​ (Investopedia)​ (CapitalGroup NACG). The plan also includes various investment options, including mutual funds and stocks, which employees can choose from depending on their risk tolerance and retirement goals. Etsy's 401(k) plan emphasizes the importance of consistent employee participation and is structured to align with federal guidelines like ERISA, which protects retirement assets. Although Etsy does not offer a traditional pension plan, its 401(k) plan is designed to be flexible and supportive of long-term retirement savings, with employer contributions enhancing the growth potential of the plan​
Restructuring Layoffs: Etsy announced in December 2023 that it would be laying off 11% of its workforce, amounting to approximately 225 employees. This move comes as the company faces a challenging macroeconomic environment and increased competition. The layoffs are expected to cost Etsy between $25 million and $30 million, primarily due to severance payments, employee benefits, and related expenses. The restructuring is aimed at achieving greater operational efficiencies and cost savings, especially in the wake of flat gross merchandise sales since 2021. Additionally, Etsy has made significant changes to its executive team, including the departure of its Chief Marketing Officer and Chief Human Resources Officer, with their responsibilities being redistributed among existing executives.
2022: Etsy employees were eligible for stock options and RSUs as part of their compensation package. Specific details about the vesting schedules and performance criteria are detailed in the company's annual report (Source: Etsy Annual Report 2022, Page 45). 2023: Etsy continued offering stock options and RSUs to its employees. The grants were generally provided based on seniority and role within the company (Source: Etsy Proxy Statement 2023, Page 38). 2024: In 2024, Etsy maintained its stock option and RSU programs. Employees in management and critical roles were prioritized for these benefits
1. Official Etsy Website Etsy Careers Page: Often provides information about employee benefits, including health benefits. Etsy Employee Handbook: If available, it may have specific details on healthcare benefits. 2. Reliable Sources and News Outlets Glassdoor: Employees often share details about their benefits here. Indeed: Offers company reviews and sometimes specific details on benefits. LinkedIn: Check for company updates or employee discussions on benefits. Forbes: May provide news or articles about employee benefits. Business Insider: Could offer insights into employee benefits and company news.
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